Reply 1 -
Posted by: MsCharlotteVale, 1/28/2005 8:48:48 PM
The hard
sciences require dedication and lots of work.
They're also not easy like women's studies,
victimology, oppression, racism and titillating
sexual studies. Many modern young women would
prefer to be featured in Playboy rather than some
obscure science magazine. That's the impression I
get from studying people for many years.
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Reply 2 -
Posted by: Luke, 1/28/2005 8:56:19 PM
Feminist
are Tomboys that have failed!
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Reply 3 -
Posted by: Ka Ching, 1/28/2005 9:22:28 PM
#1--Wow!
Very impressed with your remarkably astute,
succinct and brutally honest comments and
observations.
(no doubt Betty Davis would agree, were she still
with us today)
And I also liked Mrs Colon's perceptive take on
this whole kerfuffle that, "Mr. Summers did
not say that women couldn’t excel in those
fields but was provoking answers as to why they
weren’t seeking them."
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Reply 4 -
Posted by: mimsy, 1/28/2005 10:19:38 PM
Ms.
Colon always has an excellent
observation---thoughtful, womanly, and always
life affirming.
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Reply 5 -
Posted by: tisHimself, 1/29/2005 6:34:47 AM
"Perhaps
the question to be debated is not why aren’t
women attracted to math and science careers, but
why aren’t the women who put their families
before their careers being valued for their
magnificent choice."
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Reply 6 -
Posted by: dlentz10, 1/29/2005 7:03:39 AM
Alica
Colon adds a piece to match George Will's. It
plainly obvious that plenty of rational women,
such as Colon, exist. So why does the MSM give
the attentions to twits like Nancy Hopkins?
I say that twits like Hopkins are more
represenative of the news rooms than the thinks
like Colon. It is a shame.
David
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Reply 7 -
Posted by: glorybee, 1/29/2005 7:53:36 AM
I have
two boys and a girl. I have been involved in
every sport and activity in which they have
participated, thus coming into contact with many
children, black, white, hispanic, through teenage
years. The greatest differences are, in order of
importance: 1) parental involvement 2) whether
the child is a boy or a girl. Without
qualifications or explanation.
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Reply 8 -
Posted by: T-Bubba, 1/29/2005 8:12:36 AM
Alicia
Colon is a budding superstar.
For those of us Ldotters who aren't yet aware,
the New York Sun has some of the brightest
lights in the fading print news business.
I just hope the paper can survive as the NYTimes
finds its proper role as puppy-trainer or
birdcage liner.
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Reply 9 -
Posted by: libstripper, 1/29/2005 8:25:38 AM
#8:
You're right. The Sun was at the head of a very
small parade of papers and web sites that began
to expose the basis of Kerry's "honorable
discharge" that was granted six years after
he should have received it. Thomas Lipscom
researched and wrote a series of articles showing
that Kerry probably received a less than
honorable discharge in 1972 and that it was only
upgraded in 1978 under Carter. That's probably
the most important reason why Kerry never signed
the Form 180 to release all of his military
records. It was the best and most important piece
of investigative reporting of the entire
campaign, but went virtually ignored.
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Reply 10 -
Posted by: travis mcgee, 1/29/2005 8:33:28 AM
#1 is
spot on my graduate work in fish physiology and
behavior was the hardest thing I have ever done
in my life, and I only did a Masters program.
There were far more men in my department than
women as well.
A career in science is a very difficult and
competitive path and it is also one of the most
rewarding. Discovering something new about the
world around you is extremely satisfying as is
publishing your findings.
It is too bad though that the average person
will never know about most things discovered in
research labs. I'm not sure how to change that
though.
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Reply 11 -
Posted by: kiwikit, 1/29/2005 8:40:46 AM
I've
worked for decades as an engineer for IBM.
I've got BS's in Mathematics / Physics.
I've a ring finger that is longer than my index
finger: supposed to be a sign of maculinity.
I make decisions based on logic, not emotion.
But, inspite of all these, I'm female, happily
married, the mother of five, grandmother of
seven, Conservative GOP, and will never get the
anti-Americanism of the left. How they can be
rooting for so much violence in Iraq that the
election will fail is beyond me. I know lots of
other people like me, females who found that
science was easy. NOW is just going to have to
accept that people are people. Gender differences
do exist but are not universal.
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Reply 12 -
Posted by: knighterrant, 1/29/2005 8:46:18 AM
Getting
too heavily into the "hard sciences"
might cause one to question the feminist
orthodoxy on when life begins!
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Reply 13 -
Posted by: dtrumpet, 1/29/2005 8:58:11 AM
Feminist
are insecure people who have trouble with their
sexual identity. Inorder to hide they spend all
their time throwing rocks at others.
You can be what you desire to work for in this
country. Sex has no real affect unless you, the
person, allow it to be so. In most cases the
"isms" are excuses for not being
successful when the blame lies with the person in
the mirror.
Too many people of both sexes start with humble
beginings and succeed in this country to be
otherwise.
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Reply 14 -
Posted by: jlw509, 1/29/2005 9:06:38 AM
Feminist
mom friend of mine gave her preschool daughter
all of her sons' old (typical boys') toys.
Daughter put all the Tonka trucks, bulldozers,
and tanks in a circle, put little hats on them,
gave them names, and talked to them.
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Reply 15 -
Posted by: Halfgenius, 1/29/2005 9:12:25 AM
All
things are possible. The most successful woman
I've ever known was my mother...she took a wild
boorish selfish heathen like myself and turned me
into something that is close to civilized...that
WAS an accomplishment!
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Reply 16 -
Posted by: freedomlover, 1/29/2005 9:21:05 AM
Perhaps
the thing that frightens feminists the most is
that differences between men and women, when
combined, result in the successful family. In
this environment, children have the best chance
to succeed. This concept of family is totally
undermines the "it takes a village"
crowd.
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Reply 17 -
Posted by: LisaA, 1/29/2005 9:33:03 AM
The
first "feelings" I had watching the Dr.
Rice confirmation proceess took me back to my
days in the brokerage business in the early
'80's. When I worked for men, they were generally
appreciative, helpful, and encoraged me to move
ahead. When I worked for women, they were without
exception, condescending, paranoid and selfish.
I'm not bitter...just truthful...and when I got
to a position that involved other women working
for me, I worked hard to not be that way myself.
The confirmation hearings brought it all back an
I thought how sad that a woman like Barbara
Boxer...who is really a female success story
(like it or not, which I don't!)....would treat
another woman in such a rude manner. Boxer's
insecurities were glaring.
Colon was right, if this woman was so outraged by
Summer's comments why did she walk out rather
than challenge him like a grownup?
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Reply 18 -
Posted by: Douglas DC, 1/29/2005 9:42:01 AM
Colon is
a real Gem and a threat to Feminazi
thinking everywhere.I and my wife know a
Miss Marple type lady,she tends her Garden plays
her harp and Organ at her conservative
church.She was a mathemetician at McDonnell
Douglas.Evey time a MiG is shot out of the
sky,she had a part in it.She has utter contempt
for Boxer and her attack on Condi Rice.
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Reply 19 -
Posted by: TunnelRat, 1/29/2005 10:30:09 AM
#14 made
me laugh out loud.
[BTW The day I discovered boys and girls are
different was one of the high points of my life!]
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Reply 20 -
Posted by: Delilah, 1/29/2005 10:37:03 AM
I worked
for 45 years as a chemist and quality engineer. I
have female college friends who became college
professors in chemistry and mathematics. None of
us had any problems doing what we wanted even
though we graduated in 1956 and were in classes
with 95% males. I never felt discriminated
against. Like the previous poster I had more
trouble later in my career with women in the
personnel dept. who were jealous and nasty.
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Reply 21 -
Posted by: jed, 1/29/2005 10:41:30 AM
#16
Ditto, Ditto, Ditto
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Reply 22 -
Posted by: jasmine, 1/29/2005 11:11:39 AM
So many
great observations!
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Reply 23 -
Posted by: kennowen, 1/29/2005 11:14:20 AM
One of
my best friends in college paid her way doing
modelling. She graduated with a 4.0 and a double
major in math and psychology. Math came easy to
her, but she found it boring and therefore went
into psychology. After receiving a doctorate from
UCLA, she married a very wealthy man and has
spent the last several years raising her kids,
with the idea that she'll probably use the
doctorate eventually, but she is happier now than
she was at any time before.
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Reply 24 -
Posted by: mamax3, 1/29/2005 11:14:49 AM
#17 and
# 20, my career experiences working under both
men and women are the same as yours. The men
would always listen and discuss to try to make
our labs better places to work. The females ran
from any controversy. They would pick their pets
and give them special treatment, usually not
making them carry their share of the workload.
All in all, men are better leaders than women.
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Reply 25 -
Posted by: T-Bubba, 1/29/2005 11:57:19 AM
To deny
the biological differences between the brain
functions of males and females is akin to denial
of difference in musculature between the sexes.
I have always believed that excellent math skills
are essential to the development of critical
thinking skills, and to preempt the "I feel,
therefore you're a Nazi" mindset so common
in NYC.
During their early years, I forced multiplication
tables on my daughter and my son (steadily
expanding the grids until we reached 20 X 20).
In the case of my bright daughter, a big reason
for my push was my belief that her
non-mathematical cognitive gifts could be
combined with her hands-on experience crunching
numbers, giving her a better chance to excel at
math. She has not excelled in her advanced
placement math class that I insisted she take for
a second year, even though she could easily ace
the "regular" class. But she is doing
more than decently.
Clearly, we cannot know at very early ages who is
going to be great in the absolute sciences.
But why should it be deemed a hate crime to state
the fact that men are over-represented, both on
the lowest rungs of moronitude and at the
pinnacle of excellence?
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Reply 26 -
Posted by: micktexan, 1/29/2005 12:19:04 PM
Well,
there obviouslly are plenty of 'Gay Men' that
would gladly donate their, ahem, body parts, so
these Feminazi's can become the man they act
like.....let's send them all to Sweeden and get
on with it!
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Reply 27 -
Posted by: Christie, 1/29/2005 12:20:07 PM
Yes, the
last line does say it all....
I have some feminist ex-friends who would want to
burn dear Alicia's house down because she used
free speech to expose the crux of their
psychosis.
This stay-at-home mom will write her an e-mail of
thanks.
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Reply 28 -
Posted by: guy, 1/29/2005 1:00:38 PM
My wife
and I were discussing the uproar caused by the
Head Sniviler at Harvard. We were discussing the
differnce in the IQ Bell curve of males and
females, where the number of females diminshes as
you get farther out on both ends of the scale.
This means more males at the genius end and more
at the idiot end. She said she believes it
because of all the male idiots she has met.
Have I been insulted?
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Reply 29 -
Posted by: TexasRose, 1/29/2005 1:16:52 PM
L-dotter
- "Math came easy to her, but she found it
boring and therefore went into psychology. After
receiving a doctorate from UCLA, she married a
very wealthy man and has spent the last several
years raising her kids, with the idea that she'll
probably use the doctorate eventually"
Yeah, when her kids get to be teenagers!!
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Reply 30 -
Posted by: Heil Liberals, 1/29/2005 2:21:13 PM
"Mr.
Summers was absolutely right to suggest that
possibility, and the MIT biologist Nancy Hopkins,
who walked out after hearing his remarks,
certainly proved his point. A male scientist
would have stood up and challenged Mr. Summers,
not scurry from the room in an emotional
huff."
"Perhaps the question to be debated is not
why aren’t women attracted to math and
science careers, but why aren’t the women
who put their families before their careers being
valued for their magnificent choice."
This is the most intelligent commentary I have
read on this subject to date. Mr. Summers should
not have been so quick to turn his testicles over
to the PC police.
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Reply 31 -
Posted by: mama meatballs, 1/29/2005 2:40:47 PM
I've
been wondering where the fems were when
Condi Rice, brilliant as any woman has ever been,
needed support. Guess they prefer to swipe at
imaginary Windmills at Harvard rather than
acknowledge the truth that what they seek
happened in the White House when George Bush
broke the glass ceiling and Condi Rice stepped
through.
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Reply 32 -
Posted by: bryk, 1/29/2005 2:49:10 PM
If I
play my cards right, get lots of good karma, next
incarnation I am coming back as a single FEMALE
broker.
It makes a difference.
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Reply 33 -
Posted by: thewarden, 1/29/2005 6:49:18 PM
Yep--I
really never had any qualms with the men I worked
with--it was the other women that gave me
grief--petty, jealous, nasty. I loved working
with the men--I was never insulted by anything
they said or did and learned to play the
game--and it was fun. Feminists just don't want
to have fun. Maybe Cindy Lauper could re-record
that old song with new lyrics.....
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Reply 34 -
Posted by: Rat Patrol, 1/29/2005 6:55:15 PM
I did
pretty well at math and science,but my spelling
and punctuation stink,is it a Man thing that I
cant spell much more than Cat?
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Reply 35 -
Posted by: akimbo, 1/29/2005 8:33:18 PM
A good
leader can be a man or a woman. Not all people
have had bad experiences with a woman bosss nor
have all people had a wonderful experience with a
man boss. People are people.
Since many people do not work in the fields that
they get their education is it true to say that
ther are not enough women in the sciences? Or is
it that they are not women in the traditional
university settings?
Many women, like men, are opting for a quicker
way to get educated and find a competive and
enjoyable job in the sciences via trade schools.
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Reply 36 -
Posted by: DC Escapee, 1/29/2005 10:34:49 PM
I agree,
#33. I prefer to work with men any day. Women are
catty for the most part and play too many mind
games instead of just doing their job to the best
of their ability. Tbey always think those of us
that have a strong work ethic, that go the extra
mile and pride ouselves on giving our best are
just trying to show them up!
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Reply 37 -
Posted by: vikmac, 1/29/2005 11:57:30 PM
Alicia
has written the most cogent and intelligent
article on the Summer's kerfuffel that I have
read. She rocks.
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Reply 38 -
Posted by: Wesen, 1/30/2005 12:42:32 AM
"Most
women know that, given an equal opportunity for
education, we will perform as well or even better
than men in most areas."
This still leaves men with a simple slice of the
pie. I'm happy now.
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Reply 39 -
Posted by: Pam Torson, 1/30/2005 12:53:06 AM
Excellent
article.
I hate to sound sexist here, but ...
Most men could not handle being a Mommy 24/7 for
more than about a month. You have to be a cook, a
maid, valet, psychologist, teacher, coach ...
Another thing to take into consideration is that
there are both internal and external pressures
upon women to eschew mathematics and science. You
are rewarded for being pretty, airy, sweet,
etcetera if you are a woman.
Internally, a woman is more relational than
logical, though one does not preclude the other.
A school girl knows about every friendship in her
classroom and how each person relates to the
other. The boys are clueless (in general). As
part of her nurturing nature, this becomes
important as she matures to become a matriarch of
the family and pillar of the community (as long
as she uses these skills wisely and doesn't
gossip or become catty). Mathematics are easy
enough that the guys can handle them
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Reply 40 -
Posted by: MsFalconersCabanaBoy, 1/30/2005 12:56:45 AM
I can't
argue with any of that.
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Reply 41 -
Posted by: Pro Nuke, 1/30/2005 1:40:39 AM
When
Christianity came to power in the middle ages,
the institution of the church stifled
intellectual debate and plunged Western
Civilization into the dark ages. Doxology ruled
and heven help you if you questioned authority,
because the questioning authority got you burned
at the stake.
Today politicians and pressure groups are
stifling legitimate intellectual debate, as in
the case of Lawrence Summers. They deny us the
opportunity to investigate the widely held and
possibly erroneous assumptions of society. They
force society to take the path of least
resistance instead of taking the correct path.
Sorry, but when we let compromise rule, instead
of determining the scientific bais of our
governing assumptions, we are starting on the
path to our destruction.
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